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<div class="quote"><i><p>NegativeSymptom wrote:</p><div class="quote"><p>EH28 wrote:You think Kefla could beat SSB Vegeta and Goku at the same time while fighting three other powerful fighters? </p></i></div><br><p>I mean, seeing as how she beat Kaioken Goku as an SSJ1 and is comparable to UI as an SSJ2, then yeah, she can beat all 5 of them.</p><div class="quote"><i><p>EH28 wrote:And your scale is flawed. The only reason Anilaza lost to those 5 fighters is not because of power. It's because 17 is an android. Or did you not watch the episode?</p></i></div><br><p>How is my scale flawed? And how does 17 being an android have anything to do with it?</p><p>You are literally arguing aginst common sense. Kaioken x20 is a x20 multiplier. So SSBKK x20 Goku = 20 SSB Gokus. Are you really telling me 20 SSB Goku's cant beat Anilaza? Kafla beat kaioken Goku, and is comparable to UI Goku, who is <i>much</i> stronger than SSBKK Goku. So by using <i><b>c o m m o n s e n s e</b></i>, Kafla stomps Anilaza even as an SSJ1.</p></div><p>I'm not saying SSB Goku would lose to Kefla, it's literally a fact. In the episode Anilaza's ki blast overpowers SSB Goku's Kamehameha, SSB Vegeta's Final Flash, Golden Frieza's Death Beam, Gohan's Kamehameha, and 17's photon flash. With(I'll say it again because you don't get it yet) with ease! Anilaza Easily overpowered SSB Goku's full power Kamehameha. Tell me, did you watch that episode? I want to know, because it seems like you didn't. During their beam struggle(that Anilaza was easily winning) 17 slipped away and destroyed Anilaza's power core. This left an opening for him to be eliminated. After Universe 3's erasure 17 said he had a feeling where Anilaza's power core was because he was an android, and so is Anilaza, so he knew where his power core was. Everyone else was flabbergasted, and had know idea that Anilaza's dome was his power core.</p>

Would you like me to summarize the entire episode for you? Or do you think you've got it?

<p>I watched the episode. But that’s not the point. You are literally being ignorant at this point. You literally need common sense to know Kafla easily beats Anilaza.</p><p>Kafla was so strong that Roshi said if Goku got hit by her <a href="/wiki/Final_Weapon" title="Final Weapon" class="mw-redirect">Final Weapon</a>, “<i><b>NOT EVEN HE WOULD SURVIVE</b></i>”.</p><p>Let me point this out again for the fourth time.</p><p>KAIO-KEN X20 IS A 20 TIMES MULTIPLIER. This means SSBKK x20 Goku = 20 SSB Goku’s. Anilaza WAS MATCHED AND LOST to 5 SSB TIER FIGHTERS. Using <i><b>B A S I C M A T H</b></i>, 20 SSB Tier fighters &gt; 5 SSB Tier Fighters. Kafla BEAT SSBKK GOKU as a SUPER SAIYAN 1, and is COMPARABLE TO UI GOKU, who is MUCH STRONGER THAN SSBKK X20, as a Super Saiyan 2.</p><p>It’s <i><b>C O M M O N S E N S E</b></i> that Kafla stomps Anilaza even as SSJ1.</p>

<div class="quote"><i><p>NegativeSymptom wrote:I watched the episode. But that’s not the point. You are literally being ignorant at this point. You literally need common sense to know Kafla easily beats Anilaza.</p><p>Kafla was so strong that Roshi said if Goku got hit by her <a href="/wiki/Final_Weapon" title="Final Weapon" class="mw-redirect">Final Weapon</a>, “<i><b>NOT EVEN HE WOULD SURVIVE</b></i>”.</p><p>Let me point this out again for the fourth time.</p><p>KAIO-KEN X20 IS A 20 TIMES MULTIPLIER. This means SSBKK x20 Goku = 20 SSB Goku’s. Anilaza WAS MATCHED AND LOST to 5 SSB TIER FIGHTERS. Using <i><b>B A S I C M A T H</b></i>, 20 SSB Tier fighters &gt; 5 SSB Tier Fighters. Kafla BEAT SSBKK GOKU as a SUPER SAIYAN 1, and is COMPARABLE TO UI GOKU, who is MUCH STRONGER THAN SSBKK X20, as a Super Saiyan 2.</p><p>It’s <i><b>C O M M O N S E N S E</b></i> that Kafla stomps Anilaza even as SSJ1.</p></i></div><br><p>Your the one being ignorant. Your entire argument is supported by false information. Master Roshi just said that. It wasn't said. If it was Whis it would have been 100% true, but Master Roshi could be wrong. Also anybody with a reasonable power level could kill Goku if they use almost all the energy they've got in one ki attack. And your scale and "simple math" are based on false information. Anilaza didn't lose because he was overpowered, he lost because 17 knew his philology because they were both androids. So when Anilaza was busy pummeling all the Warriors with a ki blast, 17 came and knew his power core was at the top of his head. He then broke it, and Anilaza was rendered powerless and lost the fight. Not because he is weaker than 5 SSB warriors, but simply because 17 knew where his power core was as a fellow android, and destroyed it when Aniliza was powering up his blast even more. You thinking Kefla would in is frankly ignorant, stubborn, and absurd.</p>

<p>Alright I just need to read the first line of that comment. </p><p>"You are the one being ignorant". I'm not the one who can't understand basic power scaling and ignores common sense, buddy.</p><p>"Your entire argument is based on false information" that's really funny considering I'm using facts, feats, statements, and <b>C O M M O N S E N S E</b>. So tell me how Kaioken x20 being a x20 multiplier is false information. Tell me how Kafla beating SSBKK Goku is false information. Tell me how Anilaza losing to 5 SSB tier fighters is false information.</p><p>Also, you are using the same kind of information as I am, you use facts and feats about Anilaza, just like how I'm using facts and feats about Kafla, as well as facts and feats about Anilaza. So if I'm <i><b>somehow</b></i> using false information, (which I'm not) then so are you.</p>

<div class="quote"><i>NegativeSymptom wrote:<br>Alright? So how exactly does that mean Anilaza wins? You literally need simple power scaling.<p>Anilaza =&lt; 5 SSB Tier Fighters</p><p>SSBKK x20 Goku = 20 SSB Tier Fighters</p><p>20 SSB Tier Fighters &gt; 5 SSB Tier Fighters</p><p>This means Kaioken Goku &gt; Anilaza</p><p>SS1 Kafla &gt; Kaioken Goku</p><p>So since Kaioken Goku &gt; Anilaza, and Kafla &gt; Kaioken Goku, then that means Kafla &gt; Anilaza.</p></i></div><br><p>SSB Goku Kaio Ken had the upper hand, but his stamina was so low that the form barely lasted and he took a surprise blow. That is why he went into Ultra Instinct. Personally, I think Hit (anime) and Anilaza are also more powerful than Kefla. I mean Jiren did not even see her as a worthy opponent but saw Maji Kayo as one. In the eyes of Jiren Maji Kayo is even more powerful than Kefla. Anilaza could have probably taken out every fighter in the Tournament except Jiren who would jump on pebbles to stay in.</p>

<div class="quote"><i><p>Tiger2025 wrote:SSB Goku Kaio Ken had the upper hand, but his stamina was so low that the form barely lasted and he took a surprise blow.</p></i></div><br><p>I can agree to that I guess, bet even if that were the case, SSJ2 Kafla is still comparable to UI Goku, which is much stronger than SSBKK x20. SSBKK is enough to beat Anilaza. So, sure, <i>maybe</i> Anilaza beats SSJ1 Kafla, but there is no way Anilaza beats SSJ2 Kafla.</p>

<div class="quote"><i>NegativeSymptom wrote:<br><div class="quote"><p>Tiger2025 wrote:SSB Goku Kaio Ken had the upper hand, but his stamina was so low that the form barely lasted and he took a surprise blow.</p></i></div><br>I can agree to that I guess, bet even if that were the case, SSJ2 Kafla is still comparable to UI Goku, which is much stronger than SSBKK x20. SSBKK is enough to beat Anilaza. So, sure, <i>maybe</i> Anilaza beats SSJ1 Kafla, but there is no way Anilaza beats SSJ2 Kafla.</div><p>Its hard to compare SSJ2 Kefla to UI Goku. Kefla was basically helpless to Goku. At max power, all she could do is cut his hair. SSJ2 Kefla could still be considerably weaker than Full Power Kaio Ken Blue. You never really get the full extent of Anilaza's powers. Even at the end, Anilaza was not able to use his full potential. Even if Kefla is still more powerful, she would not win a battle again Anilaza. Her recklessness would get her knocked off the arena.</p>

<p>Piccolo said Kafla was "as strong as Goku's earlier level" when she was fighting UI Goku. Meaning that Kafla is about as strong as Goku when he first used UI. Goku won because he was stronger than last time because of Zenkais and he was also improving his UI and getting stronger during the entire fight. Dyspo and Toppo said that "his movements are getting sharper" and "Son Goku is becoming more powerful". Kafla was also becoming stronger throughout the fight, but not as much as Goku.</p><p>Kafla was able to hold her own against a stronger UI Goku, and her being able to graze UI Goku twice is actually incredibly impressive. I really don't think Anilaza is anywhere near UI even at its original level.</p>

<div class="quote"><i><p>NegativeSymptom wrote:</p><div class="quote"><p>Tiger2025 wrote:SSB Goku Kaio Ken had the upper hand, but his stamina was so low that the form barely lasted and he took a surprise blow.</p></i></div><br><p>I can agree to that I guess, bet even if that were the case, SSJ2 Kafla is still comparable to UI Goku, which is much stronger than SSBKK x20. SSBKK is enough to beat Anilaza. So, sure, <i>maybe</i> Anilaza beats SSJ1 Kafla, but there is no way Anilaza beats SSJ2 Kafla.</p></div><p>How is Kefla UI level? She was obliterated by UI. And how do you know Piccolo was referring to UI? That would literally make no sense. Whis even stated after Goku turned UI, that Kefla rivaled the power of Universe 7's spirit bomb(an energy technique created from a little bit of energy from 7 fighters not even powered up, while Anilaza overpowered a five way ki attack created from 5 incredibly powerful warriors firing their most powerful attacks). Since she rivaled the spirit bomb she was probably a little weaker than it, or a little stronger than it. Since Anilaza was able to overpower the five way ki blast without even flinching(and continue to become more powerful when he did it), wouldn't that mean that Anilaza would win?</p>